[NCDXA] Fwd: VP6D - Ducie Island Grant

Thu Jan 25 16:30:16 UTC 2018

Hi Phil, 

Leader boards encourage multi-mode QSOs on every band. 
A terrible idea for Top 50 entities, but lots more fun for 
DXpeditions to more common entities. 

73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jim Locke via NCDXA" <ncdxa at ncdxa.org> 
To: "Phillip Barsky via NCDXA" <ncdxa at ncdxa.org> 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 2:30:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [NCDXA] Fwd: VP6D - Ducie Island Grant 

Phil, I am totally against the concept of Leaderboards for the top 50 most wanted. I believe it causes big pileups of stations, especially big guns, many of whom probably have worked the entity and confirmed it in the past. Give the Little Guns with dipoles a chance. 

73, Jim W3NRJ 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 2:25:31 PM EST, Phillip Barsky via NCDXA <ncdxa at ncdxa.org> wrote: 

To NCDXA Members. 

Please follow the thread below which covers some communications between the 

VP6D team, who we just donated to, and NCDXA, concerning issues related to 

small stations ( e.g. 100W, wire antennas) and even smaller stations (QRP 

and wire antennas). They are looking for suggestions on how to give ATNO 

to as many stations, including the small shooters. Fred has already 

suggested two per his email below: 

1) No leader board, which would preclude the big guns trying to work Ducie 

Is on every band and mode. 

2) Have one station on 20 at all times to provide probably the best band 

for communication between US and Ducie. 

Please send me your ideas for optimizing ATNO's for Ducie Is. DxPedition. 

Please provide rationale for your suggestion- it will help in understanding 

your recommendation(s). Please submit them to me within the next week or 

so, and I will issue a draft list of recommendations for member review. I 

will edit the list based upon editorial suggestions received, for improving 

the draft. . 

Thank you ahead of time for your suggestions/ inputs. 

73 Phil K3EW 

Treasurer NCDXA 

---------- Forwarded message ---------- 

From: Alfred Laun < hs0zar at gmail.com > 

Date: Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 5:23 PM 

Subject: Re: VP6D - Ducie Island Grant 

To: Phillip Barsky < phillipbarsky at gmail.com > 

Phil: 

Please go ahead and work up a survey draft and canvass the membership. I'm 

afraid that the existence of Leaderboards which encourages DXers to work 

Dxpeditions on as many bands and modes as possible goes contrary to the 

interests of QRPers and others trying to work a station at least once on 

any band for an ATNO. The DXpedition might want to announce that DXers are 

discouraged from participating in leaderboards and that no recognition will 

be given by the sponsors for those who end up on top of a leaderboard. 

Another tactic that might help QRPers is to have one station remain on the 

same band and mode all through the DXpedition, say 20 meters SSB or 20 CW. 

73, Fred, K3ZO 

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Phillip Barsky < phillipbarsky at gmail.com > 

wrote: 

> Fred, GM. I do have some thoughts about how to equitably handle low 

> power and QRP opswho are trying to work them . But, I think maybe we 

> should formulate a NCDXA position on the subject. I would be happy to 

> canvas our membership , analyze responses and develop a consensus opinion 

> based on the inputs. Let me know your thoughts re NCDXA position on Low 

> power and QRP ops and Dxpeditions 

> 

> Thank you 

> 73. Phil 

> 

> Sent from my iPhone 

> 

> Begin forwarded message: 

> 

> *From:* Gene K5GS < k5gs at pdxg.net > 

> *Date:* January 9, 2018 at 8:07:50 AM EST 

> *To:* Phillip Barsky < phillipbarsky at gmail.com > 

> *Cc:* Alfred Laun K3ZO < hs0zar at gmail.com > 

> *Subject:* *Re: VP6D - Ducie Island Grant* 

> *Reply-To:* k5gs at arrl.net 

> 

> Hi Phil, 

> 

> Thanks for the note. 

> 

> I've already planted this seed with the leadership team, will discuss at 

> the next team call: 

> 

> I'd like to offer the DX community some operating time for only those that 

> need Ducie for an ATNO, and only low power stations. Both of these tend to 

> be on the "honor system" as we have no way to know if the OP is really low 

> power or ATNO. Even if we see the call in our log once, that's not a good 

> indicator, could be a busted call or the OP didn't log it. Of course, the 

> other callers need some discipline and stop calling. 

> 

> My original thought was QRP, 5 watts or lower, but one EU guy suggested 

> maybe 20 watts and lower. With most rigs being 100 watts, maybe that's the 

> number? I'm not a QRP guy and don't know their protocol (if there is one) _______________________________________________ 
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